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the problems with christianity part one

Written by jeremy hammond on Saturday, 7/13/2002

first off, i'd like to say that no one should blindly believe in anything. it's one thing to believe in something if you carefully considered both positions and evaluated the facts. it's completely different to believe in something out of 'faith', or because your parents believe in something, or any other reason. only by thinking rationally will you reach any logical conclusions. always question things, no matter how convincing they can be.

it's fun to begin with a round of bible hypocrisy. the bible says, 'thou shall not kill'. sounds pretty straight forward, it seems that there is no room for confusion or different interpretations of this line. but god also says, "thus saith the lord . . . now go and smite amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. . . . and saul smote the amalekites . . . and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword."(i samuel 15:2,3,7,8). hmm. i'm sure you can make the connections yourself. jesus says, "whosoever shall say thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire."(matthew 5:22). jesus also said, "ye fools and blind."(matthew 23:17).

there are countless other bible contradictions, and a quick search of the internet will reveal a great deal of sites covering this sort of material. here is a good place to start. i have also found this site to be most helpful. i won't dwell on all the contradictions of the bible, because you can easily find that elsewhere, and i am not an expert on the bible.

many religious figures would argue that the bible is not perfect because of years of being passed down, retranslated, blah blah blah. okay, fine, but first you should accept that the bible should not be taken literally because it is not perfect. it's okay to believe in the principles of christianity. but it is not okay to believe that everything christianity represents is correct and any questioning of it is wrong. people make mistakes. not everything that people have said about christianity is correct: there are obviously going to be faults, but to ignore or deny those faults is just ignorance.

why does god allow innocent people to suffer? many religious figures would say that we are all sinners by nature. wrong. our actions are determined by our environment, who we are raised with, who we go to school with, what television shows we watch. let me give you an example: let's say we bring a freshly born child into a room and teach him that other people enjoy being killed. if the child is told that consistantly through his entire youth, he will accept it as reality. there is no intuitive 'right' or 'wrong'. it is only determined by our surroundings. therefore, there is no objective 'innocence', we are all natural, living our lives like we have been trained to.

but let's say that there is innocence, and innocence means living our lives according to god's set of morals. if a god-loving well-behaving child at the age of six gets hit by a drunk driver and dies, why wasn't god there to stop it? he supposedly is of infinite power. why does god allow his followers to suffer, to die needlessly? why did god allow the holocaust to happen? why does god allow people to get away with murder? why is there even pain in the world? why would a loving god create pain? are we just the victims of some cruel joke?

christianity tries you make you live believing in certain things, following a certain moral code, to allow others to think for you. it doesn't even matter what the belief is, that's irrelevant. the point is, you should consider your surroundings, weigh the facts, and think for yourself.

another thing that bothers me is that christianity is only a belief. it's only one idea of the way things are, one of many. you have the right to hold your opinions, but you don't have the right to force other people to think like you do. this means seperation of church and state. this means no 'under god' in the pledge of allegience. this means no teaching of creationism in public schools.

well, this is just a small brief introduction to a few of my beliefs. obviously, it's very difficult to capture several years of thought into such a small article, and i had to cut it significantly short, so bear with me. this is only the beginning.


article discussion



posted by Smartyr on Sunday, 7/14/2002:

damn you for stealing my wind, but I have more....


posted by Cheeses Crust on Sunday, 7/14/2002:

You talk about the innocent dying, but God gave man free will, the ability to do what he wants. By stepping in and stopping that drunk driver, God eliminates free will. So basically God's telling you to think/act for yourself. Had people followed God's rule, things like the Holocaust would have never happened. Have you ever heard of the Golden Rule? Treat others the way you want to be treated. Essentially that's the last 7 commandments. I think most people, regardless of religion, or lack of, would agree with that. I'll stop there because of the text limitation.


posted by dhruv on Sunday, 7/14/2002:

jeremy, what u've written is very perceptive, and a very good guide to anyone who's going to post comments or articles on this site.

however, i encourage u urself to follow it as well, and give smartyr, who is clearly in the minority with his beliefs, a chance too.
some of what he says is very true as well.


posted by Jeremy Hammond on Sunday, 7/14/2002:

You're right, dhruv. I believe I've made my position on the issue somewhat known by now, so I'll step back and let nature take it's course.


posted by someguy on Monday, 7/15/2002:

give smartyr a chance are u crazy he is a complete moron. jeremy is the only one that can actually give the atheism side a decent chance smartyr just ruins it. and i think the fighting is pointless between atheism and christianity just let people choose b/c each side will always have an answer. and i think smartyr is only an atheist b/c jeremy is and was just looking for a reason to go atheist hence his article about his catholic uncle.


posted by kk on Wednesday, 8/28/2002:

I stumbled up on your sight and I'm christian but i'm open to what's out there and the one thing i've really learned is people believe by faith and no one is forced to believe in God one way or another coz one's got the right to chose!


posted by Marc D on Sunday, 9/15/2002:

In response to Cheeses Crust: Wait, what? Your argument would hold water if it were somehow proven that your idea of "God" exists. As far as I'm concerned, you have not proven to me that God exists, so you are committing a sort of "argumentum ad ignorantium" fallacy. I think that it is unfair to say "God gave man free will" without first proving that a God exists. He who asserts must prove.


posted by Carolyn Webb on Sunday, 9/15/2002:

I was brought up to believe in God, and i dont know all the answers, Dr Billy Graham would know them, he believes!! Adam and Eve, chose to ignore god, people say the first sin gave way to what followed in the world, I think some of the world's leaders are just full of greed, and fuck the human beings!
in a film about St Bernadette, the credits read at the end of the film:
For those who believe, no explanation is needed,
For those who donot none is given,


My mum believed in God, she always said there was no heaven, our Hell was living on Earth, I am English and in the UK & watchedwith the world what happened in New York last year. how could a God let that happen? Where was he that day?
i An American girl of 7\8 wrote this poem


red is for the ash that burnt that day,
yellow is for the sun that didnt shine that day,
green s for the grass that turned to dirt
blue is for the sky that turned to grey,
Every American deserves a Purple Heart.




if the soldiers thought about the kids of the world, there wouldn't be any, we have the freedom to chose!


If there is a God, then he won't pay his debts in Gold, and those who have sinned will get their just rewards!!


posted by Fred on Saturday, 9/21/2002:

(1) Jesus can call anyone anything he wants ("fool", etc) as He created them. His teachings *for us* to not apply to Him. Thus, no contradiction.

(2) How do we know a freshly-born baby would start killing if exposed to it from birth? No tests have been done to prove this, and therefore this argument is based on theory and no scientific proof.

(3) As for God allowing suffering, yes, that may be His will. We only see a tiny part of Life, like watching one second of a movie. It's not until we die that we see the *entire* movie that we understand what context that one second (eg. WTC attacks) is all about.

Think about it.


posted by priscilla on Tuesday, 9/24/2002:

I think you are talking about something that you know absolutly nothing about. You should take the time to actually read the bible and interpret it the way it should be. I respect your opinion.



posted by Smartyr on Sunday, 9/29/2002:

priscilla.. read my opinion of the bible... by the way I don't buy what jason says. he states things and then doesn't back them up. secondly.. carrolyn... do you believe? i'm not sold. I thought you might've had something to say as to why god would let the wtc happen.. but you didn't if anyone else has an excuse for their faith I'd like to hear it... I need some comic relief. Someguy... fyi I was athiest before I met hammond... and you said I make wild assumptions(in )another post
keep on rockin in the free world
be SMARTYR than the rest


posted by Smartyr on Sunday, 9/29/2002:

priscilla.. read my opinion of the bible... by the way I don't buy what jason says. he states things and then doesn't back them up. secondly.. carrolyn... do you believe? i'm not sold. I thought you might've had something to say as to why god would let the wtc happen.. but you didn't if anyone else has an excuse for their faith I'd like to hear it... I need some comic relief. Someguy... fyi I was athiest before I met hammond... and you said I make wild assumptions(in )another post
keep on rockin in the free world
be SMARTYR than the rest


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