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the school system is horribly inefficient

Written by SMARTYR on Thursday, 10/17/2002

This article recently appeared in the glanbard underground so I thought I'd make it available to all. I also want to hear your opinions. Enjoy
Now I know we have all heard the cliché that we never use what we learn in school. But when you think about that for a little while you’ll realize that there is actually a lot behind this. Think about the money that the taxpayers spend to put you in school so you can learn something you’ll never use. Now… think of what the school system could do if they taught you the things you need for your career. It boggles the mind! If the school system actually decided to bog down and specialize our education instead of this kind of general education that teaches us a little bit of everything, of which we will use 10%. Instead of teaching everyone the same thing we could teach each person what they want to know. In all honesty… after 8th grade you pretty much know all the basics. You have enough education to exist on a rudimentary level and maintain a basic job. From that point on we should all start learning towards our career. Basically what I’m saying is that high school could be replaced with a college-like system, and that teaching everyone as much as we teach them is a waste of time. Now I know that not everyone has a career picked out at 14, so my idea is to have a year of high school based on finding out things you want to do, an area you could specialize in. Just have a barrage of classes to take on any job, any job you can think of… and then make the student pick an area to go into… not one job but a type of job. This unlike high school as we know it gives people chance to look at many different jobs instead and decide a helps decide a career. Immediatley after you decide on a general field you would like to go into you could start learning about it. After High school some careers would obviously have more training necessary, and this is where a university would come into play. The school system already does this with a number of industrial fields. If they took the money wasted on teaching so much useless general education and focused it into specific fields this could be accomplished.
Where the current system leaves you with a lot of information you will never use and doesn’t give you any idea as to what you want to do in life, this type of school system would not only give you a field to go into but a good deal of information to go along with that field, and possibly enough to jump right into it. It would be so much more effective than our system. Not only that but the students would be so much happier. High school would have a point other than trivial social games amd getting into college. You would be learning stuff you want to learn about, and to me there is nothing more rewarding than that.
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posted by Cheeses Crust on Thursday, 10/17/2002:

Specialization's all well and good, but there's problems with it.

First, most people are pretty unsure about what they want for a career even into their 20's.
Second, most people here will admit there's too much emphasis on sports in schools. So in 10 years when an athlete's has health problems or something, he'll be screwed and will have to bag groceries. Emphasis on sports is specializing and people pay the price for it later. Even if you train for a specific career, suppose there's no job openings for you? You'll be in the same supermarket as the jock.

The broad subject matter taught is a good thing. It gives people an idea of what they want to pursue, plus it can provide back up if they realize what they originally chose didn't work out. There's other benefits as well, if you want to be a lawyer, there's nothing stopping you from taking a mechanic's class as well. That way, you'll save money when your expensive luxury car fucks up and you don't want a large bill at some auto place.

posted by Mitch Isaacson on Friday, 10/18/2002:

I attend GBE last year i took Seminar Honors. We devoted over a month to the express purpose of find information as quickly and efficiently as possible. We even completed an exercize in which we had a race to see who could answer a variety of anonymous, and very random questions (all of which involving research).
If you have the potential to be a geography major, then you would have easily discovered which courses are worthwhile and which aren't. [lease do not generalize anything.

posted by Mitch Isaacson on Friday, 10/18/2002:

The Republic of Germany follows specialized career tracks. they start at a very young age, if you as a German, chances are they'll say that they dislike the specialization.

They also have free college, and high taxes.

posted by Mitch Isaacson on Friday, 10/18/2002:

inresponse to cheeseshit. I am in football wrestling and track. I have no heath problems. in fact i am far and above health, i am immortal.
i agree, athletics alone will not get you anywhere. thats why i take every honors/AP track available. To broaden my horizons.

posted by smartyr on Friday, 10/18/2002:

posted by smartyr on Friday, 10/18/2002:

In response to cheeses. I have a whole other article on gym, but that's required, as for inididual sports, those are extracuricular.I am involved in theatre and will be going into that, I am all for extracurriculars. and explain to me why my taking precalc or physics give me a damn idea of what I want to do. Business law (one of an all to precious few electives) might help. GBE has no shop program unless you wnat to waste a period a day at davea, and for the lawyer to fix his luxury car he would need tools that cost upwards of $20000. finally most people are unsure of what they want to do because there is no way to figure out what you want to do cuz your so damn busy with school, and if you read my article I suggested a year of total electives to give you ideas as to what you want to do. do you have anything else for me to shootdown?

posted by Jethro on Friday, 10/18/2002:

Smartyr,I agree that high schools should probably adopt the Rules of a college system, but the system the high school has is actually pretty free.Students are assigned Counselors who conference with the students and give them classes that pertain to their special ineterests.If the Counselors fails to do this that is a separate issue.Also if a person is to survive in a real world(not just the one society has made) students SHOULD be past basic math and science.High schools set up real goals,like preparing students for a specialized education.The school system is set up to give students a taste of every thing so when they do decide what they want to do, they have a little bit more of an idea what they are getting into.Besides a student is not likely to come right out of high school and get a job they like, or even one that pays enough to support a human life.Although i will say requirting 4 years of P.E. and English is bullshit.

posted by santos on Saturday, 10/19/2002:

my two cents...

first, the primary goal of mandatory education is to teach the young how to learn. a broad liberal arts education allows the student, who embraces this opportunity, to have a well rounded base of knowledge. see Allan Bloom's The Closing of the American Mind for more on the importance of liberal education.

second, you don't know that your proposal would be more effective or that students would be more happy. you may think that, but you have no proof, or even reliable information or data on which to base those assertions.

third, mitch is correct, Germany has adopted a specialized system; however, the difference is Germans don't get to choose which level of occupational pool they want to be in. consequently, they are forced into a certain occupational class for life.

finally, jethro, p.e. may very well be a waste of time; however, four years of English is quite useful in the real world. as evident by many of the postings and responses on this web site, four year may not be quite enough.

that's my two...

posted by Cheeses Crust on Sunday, 10/20/2002:

Precalc and physics don't necessarily give you an idea of what you want to do, but they're useful for many jobs. Like engineering or architecture. A person might be interested in one of those types of jobs, but once he takes those courses may realize he's not cut out for it. If you're not good at/don't like those classes, I guess that's slimmed down your career choices some. Same thing with other basic courses. A history professor has to be good in history and english. There's tons of jobs that require know-how in math, science, english, and history. So even if you don't want to learn them, it'll be beneficial for you. Especially if you don't plan on working the same job until you retire.

Mitch, you're so cool there's no point in even reading your posts.

posted by CrashOveride on Tuesday, 3/18/2003:

Well still being in high school i have to agree that schools are set up poorly. Almost every day I ask my chemistry teacher why i need to know what he is trying to teach me, he either ignores me or changes the subject, which leads me to the conclusion that i will not use this stuff and that it is pointless to have to take this class to get into college. Where i will have to pay roughly $25,000 for 2 more years of high school. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have any generalization classes, we just need to limit them a bit.



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